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venture160 -

Has anyone checked this out? Its called 老外看点 and it has 2 foreign hosts who should be
fairly familiar to foreigners living in China

One of them is Risteard O Deorian from Ireland Bio in Chinese


The other is the french guy Julien Gaudfroy who has obviously pissed when he lost the laowai "star
search" last year.

Their Chinese is VERY good, I think both of them have been speaking for over 10 years.



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heifeng -

Yeah, if I am at home during their broadcasts on 90.50 I like to listen to them. Oddly, I don't
mind listening to foreigners on the radio, but for some reason I really dislike tv shows with
foreigners speaking Chinese and avoid watching those completely...(exceptions made for soap operas
though...hehe)

This is Julien's info:
http://newsradio.cri.cn/8383/2006/04/11/1568@579259.htm










Yang Rui -

Risteard O Deorian has a few interesting blogs. At least, they are either written by him or
someone pretending to be him:

http://chinaok.livejournal.com
http://niulang.livejournal.com
http://dongmohan.spaces.live.com/

In China you'll need to go through a proxy for the livejournal sites










imron -

I also quite enjoy listening to them on the radio, though by radio I mean the internet broadcast
:-) Listening to foreigners with good Chinese is always good incentive to study harder!

I agree with Heifeng about foreigners on tv though, and I think the big difference between that
and radio, is that on the radio they seem to used less for novelty value, i.e. they are actually
expressing their own thoughts and opinions, rather than just being a talking, performing monkey.










Long Pan -

About Julien Gaudfroy, here is an article from the front page of China Daily last week

"Gaudfroy began studying Chinese in 1998 while still in France, creating within his Paris
apartment an "almost 100 percent Chinese environment". Helped by a Chinese girlfriend, he studied
at home for hours and engaged in conversation with any Chinese person he happened upon. "I didn't
have much else to do so I would spend all day long studying Chinese in any possible way," he says.
He tried a language course at a Paris university, but lasted just weeks, finding tapes and
self-study to be a more suitable method. (...) Hailing from Lille, Gaudfroy first came to China in
1999. He left the following year, but returned in 2002 and has lived here since. To improve his
reading and writing skills, Gaudfroy consumed whatever Chinese language material he could -
novels, newspapers, magazines and historical texts.He constantly listened to television and radio
shows, and would repeat new phrases to himself until he was sure the pronunciation was perfect."

He has talked about his experience of learning Chinese on this forum. which is quite close to
Steve Kaufmann's advise.
Here are some extracts:

"Another one is the fact that most adults want to understand evrything before they learn. If we
can fight that tendency and adopt a children's attitude, our understanding ability is greater than
children and we can at least compensate for that brain cells deficiency, if not learn faster than
children."

"Language is mostly imitation. I'd say at the beginning, imitating perfectly takes 90% listening
and 10% practice. Radio is the best way on this matter, and TV to a lesser extent, but TV is
fantastic because with the image you can guess the meaning of everything. Avoiding any translation
is the only way to really feel a language and think it naturally. After one year of Chinese I
basically refused to use anything else than a 100% Chinese dictionary. It's just a matter of time,
at the beginning you'll be tired of not knowing the meaning of things, but that will force you to
develop hearing abilities and a great feeling for the language. And you'll think naturally in the
language beacuse you have no choice."

"Most of the time people who always ask WHY are bad learners, because there's not much logic in
the grammar or the way people speak in the mother language. Why is it this way? Because it IS this
way! I was one of those WHY people, but hard work made me realize I was wrong."

"Remember, always listen a lot more than you speak or practise, and read and write a lot. Don't
write by yourself in the first two years, just copy anything you can all the time. This way you'll
get used to not making mistakes."

"Being gifted is more about being able to find out the best method and elimitate the useless ones
in a short period of time. When I see how somebody is studying I can tell how his Chinese will be
after two years."

"Don't forget that I combined my method with 24/7 full attention for quite a few years. So my two
cents are: you can do it, are you ready to work that hard?"

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