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Jingjing-N -

Hello! I am working in HSK center and happen to see the forum today. I am happy to see that a lot
of friends are concerned about HSK and have zeal for it. If anyone has questions about HSK
administration and registration,etc, I think I will be helpful. But...I will not tell anything
relevant to test content which is my work principle. OK...Welcome to ask!



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roddy -

I have a question! How successful does the HSK center think the online registration is? YOu can
see here a lot of people have problems with it.










pandaxiongmao -

How do you deal with allegations of cheating?

For example, I previously took the HSK test at Yunnan Normal University. While mobile phones were
not allowed, there were plenty of people that left them on during the exam (which interfered with
the tape recording at times). There were also many people trading test papers both at the
beginning and the end of the exam, and the proctors did not seem to do anything about this.

I wrote a letter to the HSK administration at the time about these problems, but never got any
sort of a response.










Xiao Kui -

Also, at Yunnan Normal University the quality of the tingli broadcast was totally unacceptable- I
already wrote about it here.

A lot of static. When there is static you cannot hear the tingli clearly if you can even hear it
at all. Why doesn't HSK use the registration money to improve the quality of the test?
It's unreasonable to expect students to be able to hear the broadcast when it is unclear and they
are given poor equipment with which to listen to it. Also it sounds like the broadcast is a
cassette, which makes a lot of background noise (there was a a loud humming sound throughout the
broadcast.) Why not use a CD or mp3?

The recording, broadcast, and sound equipment needs a huge upgrade. Broadcasting the tingli from a
campus radio station is impractical, inconvenient, and unsuitable for standardized testing,
especially when the frequency cannot be picked up clearly by the test-takers.

I know outfitting so many test-takers with good equipment is costly and it's a lot of trouble to
set everything up for so many people on test day. That's the problem with having the HSK on one
big test day. It would be better to have an HSK test-taking center in each city where students
could make an appointment and take the test on a computer. But I know having one big test day is
really rooted in Chinese tradition, so that will be difficult to change, but I can always hope!

As for the test itself, I think it's fine - I would just like to be able to take it under better
conditions so I can do my best.










anonymoose -

I second Roddy's comments.

I wanted to take the test this April, but missed out because I couldn't register. I went to
Shanghai Normal University to register in person, and pay in cash, but they just sent me away and
told me to register online.










Jingjing-N -

Answer:
To Roddy: Since online registration began, we have received a lot of complaints and support. I
think it depends on different people. To those who are good at computer or feel inconvenient to
register in person, it is a good way. But university students prefer coming to the registration
sites in spite of waiting for quite a long time. Online registration will probably save your time
and trouble. Any new thing needs much time to adjust to, right? So I encourage you registrating
online because it is an advanced way with the rapid development of technology. If you still cannot
make it, walk-in registration is allowed. More information on www.HSK.org.cn
To Pandaxiongmao: Thank you for your suggestion. Using mobile phone is strictly forbidden when
taking tests. I will tell our director or get in touch with YN University. I hope it will be
better next time.
To XIao Kui: Mp3, CD or tape using depends on universities' facilities condition. Some of
universities have already used mp3 or CD. Of course mp3 or CD is the better choice. If condition
permits, we will try.
To anonymoose: Sorry for your missing the exam. Still, I suggest you the online registration.
You'd better not wait until the last day. Do it as early as possible. Because by now, online
registratio is the first choice that HSK suggests. Pay close attention to www.HSK.org.cn when
exams approach. Very important!!
I hope you all are content with my answer!
PS: HSK has moved to the 5th building from the office building. It is near to the cafeteria 2 and
basketball playground. Those who 'd like to register for HSK or C.TEST in BLCU, please pay
attention!










gato -

Jingjing-N,

For online registration, it would be a good idea to allow payment with foreign credit cards such
as Visa and Mastercard.

Since HSK is already using 首信易支付 for online payment, it should be possible to add
foreign credit card as a payment option.
See http://www.beijing.com.cn/payease/b2c/overseacard.jsp
首信易支付 外卡支付










Jingjing-N -

Thank you Gato! We are thinking about it. If condition permits, we will try But I think it is easy
to find our selected banks(There is an ICBC in BLCU )










roddy -

Jingjing, thanks for taking the time to answer the questions - I know you aren't here as the HSK's
'official question answerer', but it's still useful.

With online registration, I think there are two problems. One is that the HSK's own arrangements
aren't great - they're confusing and don't always work. Second is that even if you do a great job,
you're still relying on the banks - and their service is often poor.

I think you (or your bosses ) need to look at the process and make it a lot easier, and remember
that many foreign students in China don't have local bank accounts or credit cards - keep the 'in
person' registration option.


Quote:

Mp3, CD or tape using depends on universities' facilities condition.

Sorry, but if a university (or other test center) can't afford a CD player, they shouldn't be
running the tests. Problems like that, and more importantly allegations of cheating being ignored,
make the HSK organization look unprofessional.










anonymoose -



Quote:

To anonymoose: Sorry for your missing the exam. Still, I suggest you the online registration.
You'd better not wait until the last day. Do it as early as possible.

I tried to register in plenty of time. The problem is, the online registration system is very
awkward for many foreigners. As Roddy said, not all foreigners in China have a local bank account.
That is only the first problem. Even if you have a bank account, it does not neccessarily mean it
can be used for online payments. I have an account with a Chinese bank, and especially had to
request an online payment facility just so I could register for the HSK. (This is already an
unreasonable hassle which shouldn't have to be encountered by your customers.) Anyway, the bank
told me to download a piece of software to my computer to enable payments, but for some reason,
perhaps because my operating system is an English version, the Chinese software was incompatible
and failed to install. So, after all that, I still couldn't complete the online payment, and
therefore was not able to register for the HSK.

Shanghai Normal University is less than a 5 minute walk from where I am. If registration in person
had been possible, it would have been a simple matter.












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If you are a qualified English teacher you could look at international schools which may use the
British education system. The salary and benefits will be much higher than a regular ESL job.



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cintiaghimel -

Hey guys and girls!

I would like to know more about mahjongg. I'm addicted to mahjongg playing (pc game) and I'm
thinking of buying a set, but I don't think the way you play it's quite the same, is it?
I found a website withe rules of the game and it has nothing to do with the one I play on my PC
(Mahjongg Escape/Quest).

A friend of mine is going to China next month and I asked him to bring me a set, and I'd like to
know how much does it cost in China. I presume it's cheaper than on the web, plus I'm not willing
to buy a Deluxe version of it. Any help?



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Pravit -

Do you mean the one you play on your PC is mahjong solitaire (matching tiles and taking them
away)? The real mahjong is played with four people and is a bit like rummy. It's more fun than the
tile-matching game, I would say! You can play a computer version of the four-player game here:
http://www.ninedragons.com/

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever played Mahjong solitaire with a real set?










cintiaghimel -

Yes I meant Mahjong solitaire. But I thought one could play mahjong however one likes it, I mean,
I can play it tile matching with the traditional mahjong set, right?
Yesterday I went to next city and there is a chinese shop there. I asked the girl if she knew
mahjong, but she didn't know what's that even after I described it (I described as the 4 walls
game). I wonder how hard it's gonna be for my friend to find it there as he knows nothing about
China and will probably give up in his first attempt to explain it in English...

I'll give a try on the link you posted thank you very much!










Pravit -

Of course you can play with a mahjong set however you want. The think about the tile matching game
is that's relatively recent - as far as I know it didn't exist before the age of personal
computers. The computer sets up the tiles so that if you play perfectly, you should be able to win
- in other words, if you pick the right pairs every time, you won't get stuck. However, I have no
idea how you would do this with a real set, without the help of a computer. Assuming you shuffled
around the tiles randomly and built a big pile like in the game, you would probably be able to
match off a few tiles before getting stuck.

Now I think it would be quite easy to make a mahjong program that would show you each layer of
tiles, so you could go and build your own mahjong solitaire game with a real set. It would be slow
and time-consuming, and pretty pointless, but then you could at least say you played mahjong
solitaire with an actual mahjong set.










thph2006 -

Is mahjong played by everyone in China or mostly by men, or women, older people...? How popular is
it these days? Are there other popular games Chinese natives prefer?










Pravit -

I think everyone at least knows how to play mahjong. Sometimes you see people playing it in parks
or on the streetside. Although older women are quite fond of it, it's not considered a feminine
game. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the impression that it's more popular in the south.

Another game that you see people playing all the time is xiangqi, which is similar to western
chess. Since it only requires two people and a xiangqi set, you see people playing it all the time
on sidewalks, in parks, on lunch break, etc.

Although I never see anyone playing it, since my girlfriend refuses to learn how to play xiangqi,
we often play banqi. It's a fun little game.












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mirgcire -

Imron,

I have a friend who started learning chinese at the same time as me. He figured out how to hear
and reproduce tones in about 1 hour. He suggested "question intonation" as a way to reproduce the
second tone, and that really helped. It allowed me to hear and reproduce it better. That was two
years ago. I am always looking for new ideas so if you have anymore let me know.

I just recently discovered that by feeling the vibrations in my throat I could have more control
over the two tones that give me the most trouble. More specifically, yesterday I realised that if
I limit the vibration to my thoat I have a better approximation to 4th tone, but if I let it
resonate in my chest it comes out as 3rd tone. I think I have made some improvements, but I have
yet to get confirmation from a native speaker.

Assuming this works, I will have to go back and reeducate my autonomic response system (so to
speak) to associate the sound and physical vibration to words of the language. This already what I
was doing - but I have to be more precise about the 3/4 tones. I think this is possible. The key
is that I can not rely on my ears alone, I have to use a secondary strategy.

I will also check out the SIL software ... thanks!



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necroflux -

Mirgcire I certainly don't intend to marginalize the difficulty of getting a grasp of the Chinese
tones, or the fact that it comes easier for some than others. And make no mistake I still
struggle, for me the 2nd and 3rd tones can be hard to distinguish.

Do you hear the tonal differences in the English sentence imron put up? Great idea BTW Imron. I
think English has every bit as much tonal variation as Chinese, although it's not used throughout
the entire sentence.










imron -

@mirgcire - I think concentrating on your vocal chords (i.e. the vibrations in your throat) is the
key here, and perhaps part of your difficulty previously has been due to your association of the
different tones with the different parts of you that were resonating.

If you can hear and pronounce the difference between the statement "you can't hear tones" and the
question "you can't hear tones?", then it's not too hard to use that as a base and expand that to
tones of Chinese.

The first step is to narrow the changing tone down to just one word - in the sentence I gave,
obviously it's the word "tones". So keep practising until you can isolate that one word but still
pronounce it either as a statement (this will result in a mid/low flat tone), or as a question
(this will result in a rising tone). This rising tone is a good approximation of the second tone
in Chinese and these two sounds will also give you a good approximation of your tonal range (with
your "statement" being close to the bottom of your range, and the end of the "question" being
close to the top of your range). The pitch of the different tones are relative to each other and
so by getting a good feel for this rising tone you can use that feeling to understand how to say
the other tones correctly.

The tone to try next is the first tone. Looking at any tone chart, you will see that the pitch of
the first tone should be the same as the ending pitch of the second tone. So, pay attention to how
your vocal chords are at the end of the rising tone, and practice making a constant sound at that
same pitch. At first you may need to practice this by just prolonging the sound when you reach the
peak of your rising tone, but then you should keep practicing until you can then say a word at
that pitch without first needing to get a feel for it by practicing your rising tone. This becomes
your first tone.

Once you've got this sound, then you can move to the fourth tone. The fourth tone needs to start
in the same place as the end of the first tone. So practice by saying a nice long first tone, but
then at the end, drop the pitch down to slightly lower than when you were saying "tone" as a
statement. Keep practising this for a while, starting with a nice long first tone and then
dropping the pitch at the end so you get used to starting the tone at a high pitch. Once you've
got a good grasp of that, then try to isolate just the part at the end without doing a long first
tone at the beginning. This will be your fourth tone.

Finally you can move onto the third tone. This one should start at about the same pitch as when
you were pronouncing "tone" as a statement, dip down a little bit and then rise.

It's really then just a matter of practicing this over and over again, making sure that the
relative starting and ending pitches of the different tones match up. It's also worth noting, that
when you're practicing this, you don't need to practice with a Chinese word, it's perfectly ok to
practice with an English word because once you've got the hang of it you can apply it to any sound
at all.

This is pretty much the way I got my head around the tones when I started learning. The key is to
pay attention to how your vocal chords make a given pitch and make sure that the starting/ending
pitches of the tones are all correct relative to each other. Once you practice it enough then it
starts to become automatic and you will find it much easier to recognise tones when other people
are speaking them.










rose~ -

I suppose a point of hope is that you do have the ability to use tones in speaking and listening
to English, because English does have tones as well as Chinese as described above, so the key is
finding a way to activate that ability with regards to Chinese.

I wonder if you can read music or play a musical instrument? My idea is that it would be helpful
to begin learning an instrument where the musician determines the exact pitch of the note produced
such as a fretless string instrument, or singing lessons. That way you would be able to have fun
at the same time as activating and improving your listening abilities. It would mean training your
ear, which is something musicians do, so in a way a good music teacher might be one of the best
people to hone this ability. Learning an instrument means hours of focus on the sound one is
producing, which I think would be of benefit to you. Although some people have "perfect pitch",
others (like me) have had to train hard at things such as singing back melodies, adding harmonies,
notating music in an exam etc., it's not always something we're born with. I think a really good
music teacher (maybe a Chinese-speaking one) would be someone experienced in this area who might
be able to help you through music.

I hope you won't interpret my suggestion as underestimating the difficulty of being tone deaf.

Edit: I don't know whether I explained why I think it would be useful well enough. What I mean is
that for example, if you are singing in a choir or playing in an ensemble, you must hear the pitch
that others are creating and by interpreting that, produce your own pitch accordingly. Or even
playing alone, a music teacher is someone whose very job is to help someone towards training their
ear and being able to hear notes. Some of the scary ones might have you in tears but in the end
it's worth it!










mirgcire -

It is true that there are tones in English, and I usually don't have much trouble knowing when
someone is asking me a question. I have had very little experience with music. However,
participation in choir was not optional for us parochial school kids. I remember being singled out
as hopelessly out of key by the choir instructor and told to just sing softly.

My friend Mark (the one who learned tones in 1 hour) suggested that it might be a developmental
condition - rather than physical. In China children will exercise the part of the brain that
distinguishs tones very early in life, where as many of us westerners did not get that type of
stimulus. It is well known that the ability of the brain to distinguish between sounds diminishes
considerably after about 18 months. For example, if you were not exposed to distinct "r" and "l"
sounds of English before 18 months, you will be unlikely to be able to accuratedly distinguish
between them later in life.

My wife has perfect pitch. I am sure she would shoot me (or herself) if I started to practice
singing on a regular basis.










dynaemu -

Funny, I ace that tone test that necroflux posted each time o_O maybe i do hear em?










kudra -

For an example of the 4th tone in English, think of giving an command, say to a dog, "Sit."
"Stay." "No". As long as you are firmly telling the dog to do that, it will come out 4th tone. If
you are wimpy and "ask" the dog to sit, it won't come out 4th tone, more probably 2nd tone, and
the dog will probably not obey either.

I usually describe the 1st tone as a "sung" syllable. Normally when you sing, the pitch does not
change over the syllable. (Unless you are singing a glissando, or country/western)

So, 1st tone, sung, 2nd tone, question, 4th tone -- command. 3rd tone is the other one. Maybe a
highly skeptical "Wha-at?"

my 2 cents.










flameproof -



Quote:

Does anyone have experience with software that can record your voice and provide visual feed back
on tone changes?

Forget it! I heard that even native Beijingers often fail with those. It's highly unreliable and
no help at all.

But I have the same problem. I just do 1st a little higher, 3rd a little longer, 4th a little
lower.

I build up vocab first and do tones "later". I have to add, I am very often in China and have
little problems to be understood.










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Quote:

I have used the pinyin practice web site and can score okay, but not consistently.

When I first started out, I used pinyin practice a lot. This is probably a dumb question, but are
you taking into account tone change rules? I ask this because it's the reason I kept messing up.










mirgcire -



Quote:

are you taking into account tone change rules?

Do you mean rule that one or more third tones preceding a third tone become second tones when
spoken? If so the answer is yes and no. Yes, I know the rules, no that was not the issue. This
issue is that I do not hear tones well enough to destinguish among them reliably - whether they
uttered as a single phoneme or as part of a sentence.

However some people in this thread claim that this is impossible. Appearently, if I just try
harder I will eventually hear them.

This might not be entirely false. I tried recording my voice using the built-in win XP sound
recorder. And amazingly I could hear hear the tone much better. I even tried singing. When I
played it back it sounded terrible, but when I recorded it sounded fine.

Why would playing it back through head phones make difference? I don't know but this does help me
to self correct when practicing on my own.












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anonymoose -

Firstly, the forum member ala posted this a couple of years ago, with example sentences in
different tenses in Shanghainese:



Quote:

PERFECTIVE -coule
Chiecoule va? (Eaten yet?)
Vae chiecoule va?
Non Vae chiecoule va? (Have you eaten?)
Cintsau non Vae chiecoule va? (Have you eaten today?)

COMPLETIVE -thele
Chiethele va? (Finished/done eating?)
Vae chiethele va?
Non Vae chiethele va?
Cintsaughe Vae ne, non chiethele va?

SIMPLE PAST -laa
Chielaa va? (Ate?)
Vae chielaa va?
Non Vae chielaa va?
Cintsau non Vae chielaa va?

INITIATIVE -le
Chiele va? (Started to eat yet?)
Vae chiele va?
Non Vae chiele va? (Have you started to eat yet?)
Cintsaughe Vae ne, non chiele va?

PERFECT PROGRESSIVE -lahei
Chielahei va? (Have you been eating?)
Vae chielahei va?
Non Vae chielahei va?
Cintsaughe Vae ne, non chielahei va?

PRESENT PROGRESSIVE leila... -lahei
Leila chielahei va? (Are you eating?)
Vae leila chielahei va?
Non Vae leila chielahei va?
Cintsaughe Vae ne, non leila chielahei va?

NEAR FUTURE -chuaale
Non chiechuaale va? (Are you about to eat?)
Vae chiechuaale va?
Non Vae chiechuaale va?
Cintsaughe Vae ne, non chiechuaale va?

FUTURE weite
Vae weite chie va? (Will you eat the food?)
Non Vae weite chie va?
Cintsaughe Vae non weite chie va?

FUTURE PROGRESSIVE weite... -lahei
Gegnae Vae non mintsau weite ei chielahei va? (Will you still be eating this food tomorrow?)

FUTURE COMPLETIVE weite... -thele
Gegnae Vae non mintsau weite chiethele va? (Will you be done eating this food by tomorrow?)

FUTURE PERFECTIVE weite... -laale
Non mintsau weite chielaale va? (Will you have eaten by tomorrow?)

FUTURE DURATIONAL weite... -thehie
Non Vae weite chiethehie va? (Will you be eating for some time?)

What are the corresponding characters for these sentences? I find the romanization used here
rather confusing.

PERFECTIVE
今朝侬饭吃过勒伐？

Secondly, what are the Shanghainese sentence patterns for the Mandarin

把 construction
eg. How would you say 我把书放在了桌子上？

被 construction
eg. How would you say 我被狗咬了？

Are there any other sentence patterns that are unique to Shanghainese, or that at least don't
exist in Mandarin?



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flameproof -

Is there a romanization for SHnese? I doubt it....

However, Wiki has a few helpful hints & links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghainese










Yuchi -

I tried doing the characters for all those sentences but gave up

I'm fairly confident in the following, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.



Quote:

把 construction
eg. How would you say 我把书放在了桌子上？

The sentence is awkward but I think you mean "我把书放在桌子上了“

我拿书摆(?)来台子哴向了




Quote:

被 construction
eg. How would you say 我被狗咬了？

我拨狗咬了[一口] (for colloquial effect, it sounds less awkward)












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roddy -

Where do you even go to look for podcasts these days? The podcast.bokee.com link wushijiao has now
redirects to mov.bokee.com, the 音频 tag on podlook hasn't had anything new for months and seems
to be mostly music and stuff about 美女s, (I'll stick to video for that, thanks), antiwave
hasn't updated for two or three weeks and the likes of lifepop.com and tudou.com I can't get to
just show me audio content. I can't see how it's possible to get iTunes to show you only chinese
language podcasts, if there even are any on there beyond the news ones.

I'm quite possibly missing something. Help me out. The most I've managed to do is find the rss for
the 有一说二 shows, which seem to still be updating every week or two.



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wushijiao -

Wish I could help. I usually just listen to Radio Free Asia and 德国之声, which gets me to
about an hour and a half of listenings per day.

The French service also has a podcast that was downloadable from the Mainland as of July.










roddy -

Do you have a functioning RSS feed for News茶座? All the ones I can find just don't work in
iTunes.

德国之声 I still listen to but after listening almost daily for a few months now I feel the
need for a bit of a change.

RFA I was listening to, but I can't figure out a way to get round the firewall in iTunes.










imron -

Don't they have any proxy configurations in the windows version of iTunes?

On a Mac, if I configure my machine's proxy settings to use a tunnel, then iTunes can access RFA
without any problems.










roddy -

See here, already have a topic open on the issue. I was hoping there might be a simpler
solution　．　．　．










wushijiao -

Have you tried downloaded the NEWS茶座's from their official website and then putting it into
iTunes? (I know that's almost too much to be bothered with, but still).

http://gb.cri.cn/inet/programs/cz.htm

Also, the RFA website has tons of MP3 listenings that you can download, often including the
transcript. For example, they have a few hours worth of reading from Zhang Rong's Mao book










roddy -

I'm really looking for stuff that I can set up automatically. However, I've got the 有一说二
and RFA podcasts working now, plus Antiwave updated yesterday with an interview with one of the
groups that does all the subtitling for foreign TV shows (YYeTS or something?) so that might be
quite interesting.










roddy -

Coming to appreciate the RFA podcasts - you do need to accept that you aren't going to get much
good news, and it really is going to be mostly politics and dissidents, etc, but once you've got
past that it is fairly good quality content. Particularly good to have the phone interviews with
the people at the sharp edge of all this.










wushijiao -



Quote:

Coming to appreciate the RFA podcasts

Me too. I also like that they cover quite a few news events per day.

By the way, it seems that RFA and 德国之声 both haven't updated their iTunes since October 6th
or so. Does anyone know what the deal is? A few other podcasts sites that I go to regularly
(Anderson Cooper/ NPR's Talk of the Nation) seem to have the same problem. Maybe they are all lazy?










roddy -

I can see that they haven't updated on the actual iTunes site, but it doesn't seem to be affecting
the downloads, which I think work by your iTunes software getting stuff directly from the RSS
feed. Wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it.












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KiraKira -

Can you explain why?

The link in chinese is appreciated, but if I don't even know basic sandhi ..

読める訳ないね



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HashiriKata -

Try this:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=13752
The 2nd last post (with the heading: How Does It Work? ) is what you need.












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thph2006 -

Can someone help me interpret this probably very simple snippet of dialog from the Making
Connections Listening Comprehension CD? The complete dialog is a man and woman talking about
family. The man is consoling the woman who's homesick. At the risk of total embarrassment I'll
offer what my ears are hearing in the snippet:

刚来我想看得黝黑很想家。
gāng lái wǒ xiǎng kàn déi yǒuhēi hěn xiǎngjiā 。

The part I really don't understand is "看得黝黑" (or whatever it is he's really saying).


Here's a link to the product on Amazon for anyone interested:
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Connect...e=UTF8&s=books



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elina -

It’s: 刚来我想肯定会很想家










thph2006 -

ARRRGGGHHHH! (Please picture me kicking myself).

Thank you Elina. It seems so obvious now, yet no matter how hard I tried I could not hear it
correctly. I think part of the problem is I've never heard the word 肯定 before, but I also find
that once my ear hears something one way (usually the wrong way) it becomes almost impossible to
hear it any other way until someone kindly corrects me.

I see you have a Mandarin learning products website. Maybe you can suggest some other listening
comprehension CDs for me.

Thanks Again!










elina -



Quote:

At the risk of total embarrassment I'll offer what my ears are hearing in the snippet

I think there’s no embarrassment at all when learning a foreign language, I am the same with
you. As a Chinese native speaker, many times I can understand each English word, but with my poor
listening skill, when people say them in a Sentence, I’m just lost！



Quote:

I see you have a Mandarin learning products website. Maybe you can suggest some other listening
comprehension CDs for me.

See here:
Excellent Listening Course
http://www. /showthread.php?t=851

For Adults-->Listening
http://www.lovemandarin.com/class.as...&sid=287&tid=0

For Adults-->Listening and Speaking
http://www.lovemandarin.com/class.as...&sid=291&tid=0










anonymoose -

Does that first course you mentioned come with CDs, or is it only with cassettes?

I've tried looking for it in many bookshops, but none of them (even the larger ones) seem to have
it.










necroflux -

Listen, don't feel bad at all - you'd be surprised at how much of our "listening ability" in our
own native languages is actually based on context. We don't need to hear every word clearly to
guess with amazing accuracy what is actually being said. That is coming from the perspective of
having a grasp on the entire sphere of a language, so the brain is capable of just eliminating
thousands of options to provide for that educated guess.

When learning a new language, OTOH, you are starting from scratch. Thus you must explicitly
understand every last word, and slowly put them together, to come up with meaning. As you
progress, slowly more and more phrases will become "automatic", for example when someone says "bu
zhidao 不知道" really fast, and it comes out something like "bu 'erdao", your brain will
automatically fill in the blank based on past experience.

Years of experience, that's all we can do. So put your head down and keep experiencing.










roddy -

[quote]Does that first course you mentioned come with CDs, or is it only with cassettes?
I think this was already asked in the linked thread, but it's tapes only unfortunately. As for
availability, it's still in shops in Beijing. Are there any shops in Shanghai that specialize in
CSL materials?










L-F-J -

listening to the snipet and reading your line at the same time i can see how you would come up
with whatever "kan dei youhei" is if you didnt know the word kending.

so it wasnt your listening skill. it was simply a matter of vocabulary- which is so important. if
you had the vocabulary i'm sure you would have caught it.










anonymoose -



Quote:

Are there any shops in Shanghai that specialize in CSL materials?

I only know of one, a fairly large one on Fuzhou Lu (just down the road from the big Shu Cheng),
but they didn't have that series last time I checked there. I'll have another look next time I'm
in the area. In any case, if the books only come with cassettes, they're not of much use to me.










roddy -

It's not too much of a hassle to convert them to mp3 format - a cheap tape player + 3.5mm to 3.5
mm cable will let you record it onto your computer, and you can then either leave it as one big
audio file or cut it up into sections. Quality isn't great, but most of the CSL CD's I've heard
seem to have been produced in the same way anyway (although they somehow manage to only fit 20
minutes of audio onto a CD. Can't think why.)












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香港与台湾的媒体——尤其《苹果日报》——能够带给大陆同行以怎样的启�
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在本期节目中，飞猪请宋以朗讲述了“东南西北”页面背后的故事。
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roddy -

This is the first part of an interview with Roland Song, who runs the well known ESWN blog. It
starts with questions about how and why the blog started, how it evolved from a set of bookmarks
to a weblog, its influence on the western media's view of China, Song's 'real' job and how it fits
in with the blog, how much time it takes and how he translates, and then moves onto the prospects
for press freedom in the mainland, what reporters can do to prepare for it, how the market and the
press work together, lessons to be learned from the Taiwanese press, the Internet and journalism.

Total length is 12 minutes.










venture160 -

I haven't had time yet to listen to this one, but when I do I'll be sure to post my thoughts.

venture160










Shadowdh -

Many thanks Roddy, I will listen to this... listening is the easy part but not sure how much I can
contribute at the moment...










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003年4月创办东南西北网站，每天从中文媒体中选择新闻进行翻译。这是一个
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��的博客。因为从开站后不久，东南西北就成为西方媒体关注中国的重要渠��
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�。这期节目将分为上下两集播出。

飞：东南西北是从什么时候开始的？
宋：大概是2003年4月份前后。
飞：您当时为什么做这个站点？是什么驱使你每天去写这些东西呢？
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�道实在太不一样了。我觉得这对那些只会说英文的人实在不公平，因为他们
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��样一个翻译网站了？
宋：确实有一个事情，但是也说不上有太大的关系。这个大事件发生在2004年
5月前后，对我来说，纯属意外。我那个上面有一个页面，没别的什么，都是
我从互联网上搜集的照片，那张网页的名字叫《伊拉克的孩子们》，上面有�
��百张关于伊拉克儿童的图片。

OK, transcripts for the first few minutes.....
(没想到中文听力比英文听力还难，口吐白沫中......)










bagz007 -

okay, I'll try and do the next leg through the 6:00 marker and get it up when I finish...don't
anyone else do it! ;-)










bagz007 -

Wow, that was fun! (well, sorta...maybe...) Seriously, it WAS useful and I hope someone takes the
baton! Apologies for any mistakes..maybe someone with better skillz can quickly polish this and
take us through the 10:00 mark?


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宋：大概是2003年4月份前后。
飞：您当时为什么做这个站点？是什么驱使你每天去写这些东西呢？
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��样一
个翻译网站了？
宋：确实有一个事情，但是也说不上有太大的关系。这个大事件发生在2004年
5月前
后，对我来说，纯属意外。我那个上面有一个页面，没别的什么，都是我从�
��联网
上搜集的照片，那张网页的名字叫《伊拉克的孩子们》，上面有几百张关于�
��拉克
儿童的图片。


飞： 那在2004年五月四号的那一周，
有个人把有个在美国很有名的BLOGGER作一个
链接， 忽然间我的网站就被蜂拥而至的流量给挤爆了。
我很高兴服务器的提供商
没有收我的钱，
因为算下来那个月的所需要的费用大概需要八千块美金，所以后来
我想了想， 决定重新规划一下它， 而且从那儿之后， 我有了一个目标，
我认为
自己应该作一些别的事情， 这就可以算是一个促使我作出改变的事件吧。

宋： 有评论说， 东南西北现在正在引导着西方媒体， 你同意这个说法吗？

飞： 我觉得是这样的吧。 但是不能说 我决定了他们该写一些什么，
因为他们有
他们自己专业的观点，
但是我可以让他们知道还有这些东西对于中国而言也十分重
要， 你可以今天没有注意到， 但这些事情不该被忽视，
作哪些报道当然是他们的
工作， 我没有办法改变他们， 但是我可以向他们提供一些新闻点。

宋： 你介意我问一下你平时的工作都是什么吗？

飞： 我的正式职位是研究总监，
那我现在供职的公司是一家媒体研究机构， 可能
我说的不太形像， 或者可以这么说吧。
我的公司关注于电视报纸杂志广播以及互
连网站点儿的受众。有多少人在看他们的节目， 看他们的报纸，
我个人现在住在
香港， 但是我的公司在美国纽约， 我这样的人现在被称作TELECOMMUTER，
因为我
没有办公室可去， 所以大部分的时间我都呆在家里，加上我并不太忙，
所以呢，
就有很多时间上网看东西， 读报纸什么的。。

宋： 很多人觉得你简直是个疯子！ 每天翻译这么多东西，
你哪来的这么多时间作
这么多事情呢？

飞： 把这么些东西都加起来其实也化不了多少时间，
很多人觉得在这么短的时间
内翻译这么多东西 实在有一些不可思议，
这个问题的关键在于我能否读懂中文，
能够把意思原封不动的用英文加以表述。实际上我之前做过五六年的专业翻�
��将中
文翻译成英文， 当我将中文内容和英文内容放在脑中的时候，
我很难说出两者之
间的区别。如果我看一篇英文的报道， 然后你忽然问我说，
你刚才读到脑子里的
东西就应变成中文还是英文？
我可能根本回答不了这个问题。因为对我来说， 两
者之间没有区别，
所以呢我看了很多中文新闻然后再翻译成英文，其实就像是一个
打字员 把英文文本再用英文输入一遍而已， 所以对我来说，
这并不会花太多时
间。其实， 就是一个重复打字的工作










gato -

Some might find it helpful to read this page with pop-up definition and pinyin provided by
popjisyo:
http://www.popjisyo.com/WebHint/AddH...53ft%253d15697












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Originally Posted by skylee

Are you sure? Did you mean zhao2 (wrong) vs zhuo2 (correct)?


Oops! Typo!! Terribly sorry. I haven't noticed that I typed the wrong thing until now.It should
zhao2 luo4. 著 zhao2 落 luo4 is what we use in Taiwan. So sorry for the typo!



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Ge-lin -

Wow, sound so Mainland! That was good! 你講得很好耶!










Pravit -

Bomaci, your accent is very impressive. Do you live in China/have everyday contact with native
speakers?

I did look at that thread about the chorus method, but as far as I understand, that method does
not seem extremely different than the way most Chinese classes in China are taught - repeat
words/phrases after the teacher. However, I think you and I agree on one point - imitating
accents. I usually pick one or two accents that I like the sound of, then imagine how it would
sound if that person were reading sentences aloud for me, then repeat it aloud myself until it
sounds similar.










bomaci -



Quote:

Bomaci, your accent is very impressive. Do you live in China/have everyday contact with native
speakers?

I don't live in China but my wife is Chinese. However I have also studied chinese a lot on my own.



Quote:

I did look at that thread about the chorus method, but as far as I understand, that method does
not seem extremely different than the way most Chinese classes in China are taught - repeat
words/phrases after the teacher.

It does differ in one significant regard. You don't repeat the phrase after the teacher, you
repeat it with the teacher. This difference is key. When you repeat together with the
teacher/recording any pronunciation mistakes you make will be become very blatant, especially
mistakes in the rhythm of the phrase. If your rhythm is incorrect you will be out of sync with the
teacher and thus it will sound off. Furthermore I would think that most chinese classes only
repeat the phrase once or twice. In the chorus method you should repeat the phrase many many times
in order to allow the rhythm and melody of it to sink in. Usually you let the teacher/recording
repeat 7-8 times first without you repeating. Then you repeat together many many times. I think
you should try the chorus method. You already have quite a good accent. If you used the chorus
method for a couple of months to practice your pronunciation I think you would see significant
improvements.



Quote:

However, I think you and I agree on one point - imitating accents. I usually pick one or two
accents that I like the sound of, then imagine how it would sound if that person were reading
sentences aloud for me, then repeat it aloud myself until it sounds similar.

The thing is , it is very hard to compare you own pronunciation with that of the model and trying
to find what sounds different. Especially when it comes to rhythm. This is where the chorus method
is so good. Any differences in rhythm will be blatantly obvious when you speak together with a
recording instead of repeating after it.










Pravit -

Ahh, I understand the difference now. It does sound like a good method, though I don't have anyone
to practice it with here in the US, unfortunately.










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Pravit

though I don't have anyone to practice it with here in the US



Hints:


Quote:

I don't live in China but my wife is Chinese.

(Or buy a tape-recorder! )










bomaci -



Quote:

Ahh, I understand the difference now. It does sound like a good method, though I don't have anyone
to practice it with here in the US, unfortunately.

Oh, you don't need a teacher to use this method. I myself use it with recordings of sentences. You
just need a recording of the voice you want to imitate and some audio editing software. Then split
the recording into sentences of mangable length (maybe 2-4 seconds) each and practice each one
using this methodology.










heifeng -

So now the 2 guys in my office want to listen to more foreigners speaking Chinese for their
entertainment pleasure so I played luotuo xiangzi for them

Preface:
Due to my constand badgering they are like rialed up fight dogs when it comes to evaluating
accents, so are only good at pointing out flaws, not giving positive feedback,


They said:
Good, but the more the 'er' hua, the less they understand (but they are born and raised in BJ) and
that the pronounciation seems accurate but some parts are just too 别扭, not really natural
enough.

My opinion, I could understand pretty clearly, but in the yeshenghuo recourding
I thought the wanshang's shang 'ang' didn't sound quite right, neither did yinxiang de 'xiang'
Maybe the j, in jiuba, beijing, kuaiji seemes slightly slightly off or something almost like a
q....


keep up the good work though!










Pravit -

Hmmm....I have an audiobook of Luotuo Xiangzi which Roddy pointed out, I might try using that with
the chorus method.

Thanks for your comments on my accent, heifeng!

I agree some parts are a bit awkward - I still have some problems reading quickly enough to keep
up with my speech. As for the erhua, were your coworkers unable to understand what I was saying
because of it, or did it just make it less easy to understand?



Quote:

My opinion, I could understand pretty clearly, but in the yeshenghuo recourding
I thought the wanshang's shang 'ang' didn't sound quite right, neither did yinxiang de 'xiang'
Maybe the j, in jiuba, beijing, kuaiji seemes slightly slightly off or something almost like a
q....

Hmmm. I don't think my "j" or "ang" sounds are off, but of course I'm biased. Did anyone else
notice this?










heifeng -

(oh, it only seemed like one of the wanshang's sounded off a bit. The j could have just been the
recording quality. I just practiced doing some tape recordings and I noticed that 1)some sounds
definitely don't come across as clear (as what I hear at least) when recorded, and 2) recording
too much definitely makes one light headed )

I think that with or without the er hua they could understand it. Mainy when the erhua was too
heavy it threw them off a bit. they said was that you had the er hua, but somehow it wasn't quite
right on, but then they could really explain it beyond that (My completely random guess is that
when I compare how these guys speak (25ish Beijing locals) they have the er hua also, but it's not
really really heavy, that is to say the sound itself is soft, not emphasized or drawn out. So if
when you add the er hua, if it is too heavy or long it sounds a bit forced so then they got thrown
off or distracted by it a bit)












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imron -

I've recently bought a Macbook Pro, and have been playing around with a few things, one of which
is the feature which allows you to create user defined Input Methods.

Attached is a zip file containing a text file I created which creates an input method for typing
pinyin with tone marks. Just unzip it, and then see here for instructions on how to generate the
input method. You may need to restart OSX before you can use it.

It's not as nice as a fully-fledged input method, but it will do in a pinch, and is far more
convenient than firing up a webpage. Now I have a Mac, i'll probably get around to porting
Pinyinput to OSX once I find some time.

A couple of things to note:

*You can only type one syllable at a time - this appears to be limitation of the automatically
generated input methods.

*Type space to finish the syllable. If you type return, the syllable disappears. I'm sure there's
probably a setting that will change this, but the documentation for auto-generated input methods
is rather sparse.

*Neutral tones are typed using 5 rather than 0 or just no number. This is so that when the
selection box comes up, the numbers will correspond to the correct tones (otherwise, the neutral
tone was coming up as number 1). Other tones are typed using their respective numbers.



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[欧阳江] -

I usually do like this.










imron -

Yeah, the problem I found with that though is:

1) I don't want to remember arbitrary key combinations. Typing pin1yin1 seems so much more natural
than pinyin.
2) I don't normally have US extended as one of the available keyboard layouts, and if I'm going to
add a new layout just to type pinyin, then I'd rather have one specifically for pinyin, rather
than an arbitrary layout.
3) I don't want to have to think about which vowel takes the tone mark. Using a custom Input
Method means the tone mark is put in the correct place automatically.










muyongshi -



Quote:

from this thread
For all the mac users out there...

There is a great (free) pinyin with tone marks input method called biaoyin. It can be found at
http://www.yale.edu/chinesemac/pages/romanization.html

Hope this is useful as well!

From the way you describe it this one seems a lot like the one you have been using Imron. Download
the file and then using the ITABC standard input you generate an IM plug-in and restart. No funny
combinations to remember just pin1yin1 and there you go. Gives the option of capitalization as
well. Can only do one word at a time and no other special gimmicks. The vowel placement is
automatic as well.












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atitarev -

Thanks, Ole. I have tried your link again.

I was actually looking for dictionaries to translate from Chinese to Japanese or vice versa (with
an English interface if possible).

When I go to Mulilingual dictionaries, some Chinese and Japanese links don't work (timeout), not
sure if this is the firewall at work.

Maybe I missed something, please explain how to use this site.　



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Quote:

please explain how to use this site.

Hi Atitarev,

1.You could search in English, finding hundreds of responses , including the Chinese and Japanese
translations .
2.You could browse a large dictionary in

3. You could make a "site:webstersonline-dictionary.org"-google-search for a word and
try to select a relevant match.


Well, it might not be precisely the dictionary you are dreaming of, but it is quite powerful.

Ole










atitarev -

Thanks, Ole










AprilJiWoo -

オンライン辞書・辞典リンク集
http://www.hir-net.com/link/dic/
学業・仕事のお供に～オンライン辞書サイト大集合
http://internet.watch.impress.co ... 2003/0428/jisho.htm
◆ オンライン辞典・辞書・翻訳 ◆
http://www.kaigailink.com/linkmenu/dictionary.html
辞書.辞典.翻訳.語学検索：翻訳のためのインターネットリソース [無料]
http://dir.kotoba.jp/
オンライン辞書①
http://www.si.gunma-u.ac.jp/SQUARE/dict-j.html
オンライン辞書②
http://www.hum.u-tokai.ac.jp/asao/etm/oldict.html
goo 辞書
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/
goo インターネット辞典 検索サービス
http://www.f7.ems.okayama-u.ac.jp/~t...onlineDic.html
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AprilJiWoo -

http://www.alc.co.jp/
翻訳ツールとしての無料日中、中日辞書, 中国語辞書. 敦煌中日・日中
辞書
http://www.onlinedic.com/search.php
外国語学習者のための情報源・情報交換の場
http://gaikoku.info/english/dictionary.htm
すぐに使える日常英語
http://allabout.co.jp/study/basiceng.../msub_C015.htm
日中英 オンライン辞書
http://www.multilingualworld.com/dictionary/index.html
オンライン辞書・用語辞典
http://www.tanabe-be.tanabe.kyoto.jp...rch/jisho.html
a2001.com 辞書リンク
http://www.a2001.com/link/dic.html
TOEICオンライン 単語帳
http://www.toeic-online.jp/
学　習　










AprilJiWoo -

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~av1m-srk/study.html
オンライン辞書のリンク集
http://www.dio.ne.jp/user/bestsites/dictionary.html
オンライン英語辞書【リンク＆情報源】英語タウン
http://www.eigotown.com/infolinks/study/study02.shtml
事典ドットコム - jiten.com
http://www.jiten.com/index.php?catid=3
重たい辞書とは、おさらば！花杢情報局
http://www.hanamoku.com/convenient/dictionary.html
真・コンピュータ用語辞典(这个很新的)
http://glossary.tank.jp/
～ パソコン用語集（Ｎの行）～
http://www.coara.or.jp/~takashia/mein84.html
＠IT 情報マネジメント ： コンピテンシーの正しい理解と使い方
http://www.atmarkit.co.jp/fbiz/c ... mpetency/01/01.html
翻訳者ディレクトリ
http://trans.kato.gr.jp/translators/index.cgi
オンラインソフト用語集
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~wz6k ... nline_dic_body.html
ファイル交換ソフトのコンビニ
http://www.f-conveni.info/
通信用語等の基礎知識
http://www.wdic.org/dic/TECH/PYSOFT
神奈川県ガイドライン―資料編（用語集）
http://www.pref.kanagawa.jp/osirase/...html/5-7-1.htm
文例集＆辞書リンク集
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/tmt/1/tomita/jisyo.htm
リンク集　　読めなかったらすぐ検索！　オンライン辞書・翻訳サイト
http://internet.watch.impress.co ... 004/05/21/jisho.htm
コンピューター用語辞典　に最適なサイトを紹介するページ
http://gassa.fc2web.com/netinfo/info7.html
日本語<->エスペラント語 単語変換オンライン辞書
http://www1.udn.ne.jp/~yoiko/esp.html
(英語)辞書集
http://homepage1.nifty.com/samito/dictionaries.htm
MetaDictionary - 英和・和英・国語 オンライン辞書ナビゲータ
http://kengo.z1.bbzone.net/metadict/
オンライン　顔文字辞書
http://www.geocities.jp/taka_luv/online/
めぞん一刻小辞典
http://pingshan.parfait.ne.jp/maison.html
ホテル観光用語事典










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Wow! Chinese must be very popular in Japan now.












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David W Jackson -

I'm in the market to buy some of these things so I can max-up my listening time by optimising my
non-work hours - you know shopping, riding the subway etc. I find that ordinary phones just don't
work with all the background noise unless you want to risk permanent hearing loss by cranking up
the volume too far. Anyone seen these anywhere in BJ?



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stickyrice -

Sorry, I don't know how to say noise-cancelling headphones, though I saw some Phillips headphones
aimed at the VOIP market at Bainaohui 百脑汇电脑商场, the computer market next to Landao on
Chaoyangmenwai Dajie.

I use inner-ear headphones, the ones that go right inside your ear canal (mine are from Etymotic),
and while they aren't noise-cancelling, they do an excellent job of sealing your ear, drowning out
almost all ambient noise.
There is an electronics market on Super Bar Street which runs off Nurenjie 女人街。There are
stalls here that stock massive amounts of headphones and other cool stuff. Some are second-hand
which might be less than hygienic.










wendyicy -

除噪耳机 chú zào ěr jī。 but i don't know where u could buy in BJ, good luck










Yuchi -

消除噪音的耳机 or 消除噪音耳机maybe?










889 -

"Anti-noise" seems to be 抗噪 kangzao:

http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/a...04/590082.html










Koneko -

Alternatively, it's also known as 去噪耳机
Hope this helps!












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babygodzilla -

how do you say "instead", again? like

"instead of this, maybe you could do that," or "you can't do this? then do that instead." damn it
ive learned this before and now i cant remember it. too lazy to find my old books again...


thanks!



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WoAiJolinTsai -

而不是！！！










sophihlj -

xiangfang, 相反!










babygodzilla -

er bu shi? i dont think that'll work. can anyone translate the examples ive given?


"instead of this, maybe you could do that,"

"you can't do this? then do that instead."










skylee -

Consider -

"instead of this, maybe you could do that,"
-〉“與其做這個，也許你可以做那個。”
-〉“也許你可以做那個以代替這個。”

"you can't do this? then do that instead."
-〉“這個你做不了？那改爲做那個吧。”










againstwind -

I think skylee's translations are acceptable.


Thinking about the word 'instead', I feel there may be no direct counterpoint in Chinese. But I
find some more examples for you, hoping helpful. (Tip: the explanation below just gives usages of
'instead' in a sentence, not direct translations. Please pay attention.)

instead adv.
In the place of something previously mentioned; as a substitute or an equivalent:
代替：取代先前提到的某物；作为替代品或等同物：
e,g,
Having planned to drive, we walked instead.
我们以步行代替原先计划的驾车。

We've no coffee. Would you like tea instead?
我们没有咖啡了，改（or 要不）喝茶好吗？

It will take days by car, so let's fly instead.
开车去要好几天，我们改（or 要不/还是）坐飞机吧。










skylee -

acceptable. that's nice.










babygodzilla -

thank you sky and wind (wow your names are somewhat related to each other!) for the examples. very
clear and quite helpful indeed.
i guess there isn't a 100% translation to "instead" in the Chinese language. INSTEAD, there are a
number of ways to express contrast between one thing and another. ironic.










Strawberries513 -

^^ haha Skylee. Its ok. Im sure he meant they were right

btw, thanks for starting this topic babygodzilla. I have wanted to know how to say this too.










hughitt1 -

还是。。。。

e.g. ”我们还是先吃饭吧“ 。。 is kinda like saying "or how about we should eat first
instead."












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